WHEN WE CAN'T RECONCILE, IS GOD A MISOGYNIST SERIES

update: I'm having some major trouble, reconciling the Bible, with the conclusion that God is not a Misogynist.

I tried, I truly did, but, make no mistake about it,

there is one scripture, well, no, there are a few others that don't relate to women but could reinforce or, no, they Do reinforce, this scripture,

lets take a look shall we? (1 Peter 2:13 - 3:7) WARNING, WILL TRIGGER

18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. 19 For this [finds] favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a man bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer [for it] you patiently endure it, this [finds] favor with God. 21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22 WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; 23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting [Himself] to Him who judges righteously; 24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. 25 For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.

1 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any [of them] are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. 3 And let not your adornment be [merely] external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; 4 but [let it be] the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands. 6 Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.

Now, just to be fair, I did find this, there is some research or some who say, some of the texts, were written, AFTER PAUL AND PETER had died, http://www.religioustolerance.org/nfe_bibl.htm ** see note at bottom

I don't know, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least, it does seem a bit odd, out of character, why, Jesus would treat women one way, and then, boom, back to the old testament woman hating garbage we go...that and with slaves,

I will say, the real hypocrisy of the church, is the fact that,

SLAVERY, HAS BEEN FOR THE MOST PART, ABOLISHED, no way, would Churches today, even speak, unless they are run by KKK, about slaves submitting to masters,

but WHY IS THAT?

WHY IS IT, THESE SO CALLED, BE MEN OF GOD [WHO FORGET, BTW, THAT JESUS, WASHED THE DISCIPLES FEET, NOT SO MANLY BUT EH], DON'T PREACH

WITH THE ZEAL THAT THEY DO

JUSTIFICATIONS FOR SLAVERY?

I'll tell you why,

MEN CAN BE ENSLAVED, slavery wasn't just for women...so,

on one hand, we have, the church, for the most part, still pushing the woman submit, you inferior slave to the God ordained male SUPERSUPREMACY, women are the glory of man, kind of like his DOG, and man, of course, the glory of GOD,

[wonder what the hell will happen to women in heaven, taking That teaching, what, 72 virgins????? Now I know why, radical feminists, don't slam Islam, why should we, its not that much different than Christianity WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN].

Ok well, so,

don't you think, its a bit strange, that slavery, the church doesn't preach, over and over and over and over and we don't have the ongoing debates today,

though their racism steams doesn't it?

But now, the submission of women, why,

gee, since MEN BENEFIT FROM THAT, HEY, NO NEED TO ABOLISH THAT,

AND SO WHAT,

IF MARRIED WOMEN ARE RAPED, BEATEN, CHILDREN RAPED, BEATEN,

BY THOSE OH SO STRONG MANLY MEN OF GOD?

A tad, double standards,

I say,

Church, if ya going to harp on subjugation of women, to protect your male entitlement, then,

why don't you, also, start harping on the SLAVES SUBMIT TO YOUR MASTERS,

AND, BTW, DO IT IN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD,

I'd be kind of curious how that would play out. Instead of FOCUS ON THE FAMILY,

HOW ABOUT

FOCUS ON THE SLAVERY,

all for the Glory of Jesus, that longsuffering, etc., redemptive...

I am glad, though, that I look like a fool, trying to portray God, as not a misogynist, when in fact,

well, can't say for sure He is,

but the BIBLE, DAMN SURE IS

and well, there is just no getting around it. I love Jesus, but,

yes, THE BIBLE, IS MISOGYNIST TO THE CORE.

Its patriarchal, its misogynist and it condones or perpetuates SLAVERY.

Now, see post below, this I believe, is because of a fallen world under sin,

HOWEVER,

WE HAVE FREE WILL,

AND, WE DON'T LIVE, IN ROME, PEOPLE,

WE LIVE, IN AMERICA, WITH SECULAR LAWS,

SO, WHY IN THE HELL, ARE WE PUTTING UP, WITH PREACHERS, FORCING, SLAVERY OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN?

I SAY,

ITS TIME, TO CRACK DOWN AND CRACK DOWN HARD...WE DON'T TOLERATE SLAVERY IN AMERICA

SO WHY THEN

ARE WE TOLERATING

PATRIARCHY AND SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN?

ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE RELIGIOUS GROUPS

FORCING GIRLS TO MARRY, RAPING CHILDREN, COMMITTING INCEST, MEN BEATING THEIR WIVES, MEN ENSLAVING THEIR WIVES

human right abuses, pure and simple,

WE NEED TO SHUT UP, IN THIS COUNTRY, ABOUT THE ABUSES IN ISLAM

IS WE AREN'T WILLING, TO END THE ABUSES IN OUR CHURCHES...AND I DO MEAN,

END THEM.

BECAUSE, MANLY MEN OF GOD AND TALIBAN

SAME DAMN THING.

But then, maybe,

just maybe, THAT IS WHY, THE WEST, IS BEING TAKEN OVER, BY YES, ISLAM

WELL,

GUESS WHAT BROTHER,

YOU MAY BE, TRULY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT IT MEANS,

TO SUBMIT

WHEN THOSE MUSLIM BROTHERS TELL YOU

CONVERT, OR DIE

THEN, BROTHER,

YOU WILL KNOW, WHAT IT IS

TO BE

SUBJUGATED.

AND WHEN THE MUSLIMS ENSLAVE YOU, YOUR WIFE, YOUR DAUGHTERS,

YOU WILL KNOW,

WHAT IT IS, HOW IT FEELS,

TO HEAR,

SLAVES, SUBMIT, NO MATTER WHAT,

QUESTION IS,

I BET, 99%, OF THESE ASSHOLES, WHO SCREAM SUBMISSION AND THE WOMEN WHO PERPETUATE THAT WHEN THE MUSLIMS ENSLAVE THEM AS SEX SLAVES

WON'T BE SO QUICK

TO

STAND UP AND SAY,

HELL YEA,

1 PETER 2:13!

That my friends,

is where, the truth, really does set you free,

those who are pushing the submission doctrine, the most,

are also those, who would be the first, to rise up and do whatever, to NOT have to submit

themselves,

especially to Islam,

Islam meaning

SUBMISSION.

Poetic Justice

you betcha

**note:

I have never been one to question the validity of the Bible as far as translations go, until now,

while, I don't concur with universalism or watering down scripture, I do believe, there are Enough consistencies in the Bible, in that, some of the scriptures, deserve looking into, especially those in the New Testament, that totally contradict the way Jesus treated women...

no offense, but I've often thought, the scriptures on submission, read more like something King James would have insisted upon, with the church in his day [and he was no gift to women, mind you]

or, the drafting by those, who wrote the Bible, during the days of early Catholicism [and that whole split] OR

during the Dark Ages, when they were butchering women by the thousands.

So, after raging at Jesus all day, and then, for some reason, that whole slavery part popped up at me [Holy Spirit maybe?] because, hey,

it shows the blatant hypocrisy of the church/men who have used those submission scriptures to enslave women, globally, including in legal systems, such as economics, that whole andro-centric nuclear capitalist 'family' they so love to worship,

at the expense of WOMEN.

anyway,

maybe my rage at Jesus, is unjustified, maybe, its not God or Jesus, or even Peter, maybe,

its, a deliberate mistranslation, to keep in times with the misogyny that ruled in the days the Bible was written,

it has been debated, that one of the books, was written years, after Paul's death, AND I did look at it, I believe its Titus,

it Does read different, from all Paul's other works. The language is different, the intro,

on some parts, it reads the same, on others, it doesn't,

so, I DON'T KNOW,

and, well, I'm not going to say, Don't believe in the Bible, no way,

but I will say, maybe, we should pray and seek, because Jesus Did say,

the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth,

He didn't say,

the Bible would lead you into all truth. Though it does say the Word of God is inspired, etc.,

but, here is something else that has always sort of bothered me too, at the end of Revelations, it says,

cursed is anyone who ads or takes away from the Book,

IF, it wasn't a possibility, then Why would God, even warn?

Or was that just the Book of Revelations?

I am not a Bible scholar nor have I studied translations and Hebrew and all that....I do know however, that there are consistencies,

and even if not,

the fact remains,

WE, OUTLAWED SLAVERY, IN A SO CALLED, CHRISTIAN NATION, THE CHURCH, IS VERY OUTSPOKEN, AGAINST SLAVERY,

INCLUDING IN MISSIONS TO AFRICA, TODAY...

WHY THEN, ARE THESE SAME ADVOCATES, CHRISTIANS, FIGHTING SLAVERY, YET, THEY WILL TURN RIGHT AROUND AND SAY

TO WOMEN, IN ABUSIVE MARRIAGES

SUBMIT?

Something, just smells like a rat to me...

and maybe, maybe, I'll just stop blaming God, Jesus, and put the blame where it belongs

MEN.

and the WOMEN, who benefit from those MEN [especially the money made, off the suffering, of those who have suffered abuse, its one WHOPPING $$$ INDUSTRY!]

No wonder, they don't want it to change,

something to ponder on...

Solidarity,

Natasha