WAMI -- Women Against Misogynist Imperialism

Natasha

This, is an Outrage---Trafficking of young Christian women, Egypt, who are Kidnapped, Raped, forced to convert AGAINST THEIR WILL, and never seeing their families again...worse, many of them are then 'forced organ donors', meaning, their organs are taken from them, Who knows,

how many of them are Dead.

And yet, Dare we, demand a woman to remove a full face veil for Identification purposes,

TALK ABOUT DOUBLE STANDARDS AND PREJUDICE!

Well, it's time to confront it, and its not just in Egypt the persecution of young women Because they are not Muslim is common place, but in Pakistan, India [persecution by Hindu extremists, so its not always Muslims] and in Algeria, Sudan, etc.

What gets me about this, is that here in America too, we see those same 'prejudices', by Feminists even, its 'cool' to slam Christianity, to do so under the veil of confronting fundamentalism--but the true goal is not to 'free women from fundamentalism' as much as its just to create hostility towards a faith. And its those who will keep silent in regards to some of the most horrid human right abuses To women--in Islam.

But I ask, What about those women, who are Not Muslim, maybe they are not Christian either, but they suffer horrible human right abuses, especially Rape--and yet, there is little to NO outrage here, among women or among so called 'women's right's on their behalf, Why is that?

Is it now One standard for Western women and another standard for Christian women overseas, does Human Rights for Women fall under some 'quota' as to where they are, whom they are, what kind of nation they live in, etc? Is 'faith' a requirement or Non-faith a requirement BEFORE ACTION AND OUTRAGE CAN BE TAKEN ON BEHALF OF THE PERSECUTED?

If so, then human rights and feminism is sheer HYPOCRISY.

It is for This reason, I am picking these issues Back up here, on WAMI,

because whether a woman is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Pagan,

no group, has the God given 'right' to kidnap, rape, force convert, force marry, Any woman....there is NO license given by Any God to do so,

and those men and women who Do these things, I just want you to know,

if you continue in them, YOU will, one day, answer for your crimes...if not in this lifetime, on judgment day. That I do believe....

and the thing is, in every human being, unless they are so overtaken by EVIL, knows this is wrong..it is WRONG to commit such abuses to Any human, male or female. It goes contrary to Natural Law inside all of us---that is given to us, yes, by God.

For more about the kidnapping, rapes and forced conversions of young Christian women, see article here,

http://www.copts.com/english/?p=3667

and recent article in Washington Times on this.

More later,

Natasha

Natasha

Update...its been a long while since posting on this blog, thought it time for update. I've been writing more on my other blog, which has more to do with confronting sexism within Christian communities [or who claim Christian, some are clearly not--some are just deceived--as I once was] and working through well, just a lot of personal issues.

I still continue to also confront Islamic fundamentalism-oppression of women--but its NOT my 'only' focus now, because I do see how that same type of fundamentalist woman hate is in some sects of Christianity too--AS well as in the secular. I'm coming more to the conclusion that Dogma is Dogma, and well, some Dogma is worse because its dogma with a gun,

so to speak. While I do not believe we should ever underestimate the danger of political Islam--because we surely can't, on the other hand, where women are concerned, Islam is not the Only oppressive system--or oppression.

More and more I'm moving away from the 'group ISMs' and just confronting ISSUES in themselves, as well as confronting evil and the lack of love and mercy in our world. In humanity, along with dealing with my own sinful nature, per se--

a lot has changed in me since I first started this blog--I don't get As angry any more, that's a good thing, Christ has healed so much in me, but that doesn't mean that the issues, the horrors, still don't cause me anger or grief, they sure do, and fear,

as well as Guilt. You know, when we live in relative safe places [though we might not be safe within our intimate environment] there can be a type of survivor guilt--this is something I'm working with now, how sometimes we can focus also on issues to Avoid dealing with the demons in our own lives,

ON the other hand, we can become so wrapped up in 'our own lives' that we forsake all others,

but, I have been wondering about Why God allowed me to go through so many years of anger and rebellion--to bring me back to a place of repentance and healing, not perfection--no, I still sin--we are saved by His Grace, not our 'own efforts', but its a 'growth' process--that does not mean we aren't accountable to Him for our sins though or that we can just do as we please, etc., we are to Abide in Him, to abide in His Grace, its not cheap--it Cost Him something precious, we should never forget that,

Jesus Christ.

Anyway, I'm seeing how for me anyway, that maybe what God is doing with and through me, is actually reaching out to those who like me, in anger/brokenness get into the political--out of fear, resentment, maybe even that sense of indignation, but who are more harmful, being zealots...because you see, while being zealous to do good is honorable, Without Love, it is a breeding ground for evil. What we 'measure out' is measured back to us, what we judge, we are then judged,

there is no respecter of persons OR gender here where God is concerned.

But what I also learned, is that in a lot of raging against the injustices of the world, that often times, it comes from an Anger at God--life is unfair, why we know better than God, why doesn't God do anything, etc etc etc.,

and while we may rage, yell, protest, the thing is, what do we Really do, to minister to the needs of those who ARE hurting?

All the years, I raged, wrote, protested, Did I feed the hungry, clothe the poor, relieve the afflicted, give water to the thirsty, visit the prisoner, and Did I do these things in the Love of God?

Sometimes, but rarely, I did--you see, its way easier, to curse the darkness, to revolt, to rage,

its NOT so easy, to suffer, suffer in doing good in a world bent on evil. I'm learning some humbling, hard lessons, but I am glad--better to be corrected by God than to not be--and answer later,

anyway, I have another blog--I am listing it here today, as I am writing more there--my direction is changing...I still cover issues,

but it seems more and more, I want to go to more hands on relief--work,

as Christ changes me--well, it pours out. Not that the change is immediate or that I don't fall back into old habits--I do,

but, one thing, I never want to go back to being that woman again--because no matter how horrible this world is, I know, there IS an eternal--I know, that Jesus is Real, that He is Living, that He will one day, return...I know, He loves me,

and its His love, that has changed me--His kindness, that leads us to repentance--repentance is not just immediate--its a whole entire change,

an inside change. Not just external--though its not this la la land existence either, its NOT about religion,

its about Relationship.

That I am learning--and its not always Easy, no way, easy,

http://homesewersneedleworkersunion-hsnwu.blogspot.com/

More though, its about Love, and love isn't just some warm feeling or cliche or pretense--I still have a lot to learn,

but I'm getting there....one step, at a time.

I will sign this, under this blog's name, Natasha,

I use the name Jane, for janedoe, on my other blog...btw, neither are my real name. I used the pen names, to represent someone or something,

to be honest in some ways I'm a tad ashamed of this blog--so much hate and anger here, but I left it, because, well, it shows, what Christ can do, to a human heart...

probably more, than just 'talking' about it.

So, will return to this blog--or I'll just leave it, don't know yet, but you can follow me on the other,

peace, in Jesus Christ,

Natasha--or Jane

Natasha

[see post below--this is in addition to]

lets begin here, take a look Western Women--at the Reality, of what the Women, Girls in Afghanistan live with, corrupted War Lords supported by OUR GOVERNMENT, and not just in Afghanistan, but in Iraq...and may I also say, the support of governments that are Notorious, for doing these same horrors, to Christian women [and the media is very quite about this real fact--such as the Christian women who are repeatedly raped in Pakistan, who are forced to carry human feces, as punishment, for being Christian--brutality isn't discriminatory--and its time, to confront it at its roots, of justifications, Patriarchy and Misogyny under Theocracy AND religion. I say this, as a Christian--who does NOT believe, MEN ARE SUPERIOR TO WOMEN and have these ENTITLEMENTS TO ABUSE WOMEN, BE IT THEIR WIVES OR OTHER WOMEN. I will be writing on the horrors that Christian women, in Iraq and Pakistan, India, have been suffering, silently, the horrid thing is, even the Muslim women in these areas and Hindu women, do not support the poorest of the poor in these countries--the Christians, because they are deemed 'infidels' and the women/girls are raped and brutalized with impunity and without any empathy even from the women in those countries, I do wonder though, if that may be contributed to the fact that IF these Muslim women lifted a finger, those who are not 'oppressors' themselves, would pay a high price, in the misogynist societies, and point being, we, Women, have got to stop Pandering to ALL MISOGYNY, and the 'excuses' and the sticking our heads in sand, at the abuses of women, children, its that simple, because to not confront Violence and Evil, is to give your 'o.k.' to it. And it only furthers the world of misogyny, violence, power and abuse of power, war, child abuse, discrimination, Sharia laws and religious cults and spiritual abuses, etc. Either we stand for justice, peace, equality, love, LOVE, OR WE DON'T,

YOU CAN'T SUPPORT VIOLENCE, EVIL AND LOVE AT THE SAME TABLE--it just don't wash. And if God is merciful, to ALL OF US SINNERS, do we NOT then, have a DUTY, TO BE MERCIFUL OURSELVES?

see:

LEGALIZING RAPE [THIS IS ALSO IN IRAN, AND THERE ARE CHRISTIAN MISOGYNIST THUGS IN AMERICA WHO SUPPORT THIS SAME GARBAGE]

More on the reason why 'switching' fundamentalism is not the 'answer' to the plight of women--and why, any who truly are for elevating the status AND safety AND welfare of Women--need to stop supporting the 'lip service' promises that are just as misogynist as the other, who kill and butcher and rape girls and women and young boys, with as much hatred and zeal and religious 'justifications' or 'materialist' justifications--why they are really, just the same, Boys joined at the Loins club, using Might and Power--to brutalize and oppress,

BECAUSE THEY CAN.

More on why WAR escalation in Afghanistan--simply switching power from one misogynist reactionary thug group to another, in NO WAY, LIBERATES WOMEN...and we, are FED UP, with Women's Rights, being used as 'THE LIE' to prop up, more despots for greed, 'trade' and oil and arms.

see: http://www.rawa.org/rawa/2009/12/06/not-all-feminists-love-escalation-in-afghanistan.html
[note: I would think, the women on the ground there, the poor who are 'not protected by the Drug and Extortion monies, would know far more, about the Reality, of the 'lack of liberation for women' than MEN and the Parrot women in the West, who support this war front. I see the photos and I think--they are our sisters, our daughters, our mothers, they are US---women, and as a woman, I, can not wrap my mind, around supporting one more 'boys club' and THE WAR DOGS who not only turn a blind eye to these horrors, but who make 'wealth' and 'Power' via supporting these War Lords, I don't care 'who' they are OR WHAT GOD THEY CLAIM. Women, its time, to say, NO MORE--ENOUGH, NO MORE WAR, NO MORE EXCUSES FOR RAPE, MISOGYNY, POVERTY, WAR

NO MORE. This, is not about fighting for Freedom, it would be one thing if it was, but any one with any Thinking sense, can see the hundreds of photos, of the children, the women, the girls who have torched themselves in Desperation to flee the violence and the misogyny that goes on with impunity, to not see, that something is terribly wrong, with the picture and the so called 'claims of democracy'. Democracy for Who, I ask? MEN WHO RAPE KIDS?

NO MORE---ITS

EVIL----and I, will not support it, I hope, neither do you. And, yes, the Taliban are evil, granted, but you know,

TWO EVILS, DON'T MAKE A RIGHT.

Not all feminists love escalation in Afghanistan
Maybe RAWA and its allies would have a better shot at power if the occupation wasn’t shoveling billions of dollars to the most reactionary elements in society.

Dana Goldstein has a piece called "Why Feminists Love the Surge" in the Daily Beast. Her prime example is Eleanor Smeal, founder of the Feminist Majority Foundation, which has advocating for women and girls in Afghanistan since 1996. Smeal believes that long-term U.S. military occupation is the only way to save women and girls from the horrors of another Taliban-style regime.

Yet, the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), the nation's oldest and most illustrious feminist group, opposes the U.S. occupation. RAWA argues that the real enemy of women's rights in Afghanistan is religious fundamentalism, not the Taliban, per se.

RAWA sees the U.S. occupation entrenching a regime stuffed to the gills with fundamentalists, reactionaries, misogynists, criminals, and warlords. As the group says on its website:

The US "War on terrorism" removed the Taliban regime in October 2001, but it has not removed religious fundamentalism which is the main cause of all our miseries. In fact, by reinstalling the warlords in power in Afghanistan, the US administration is replacing one fundamentalist regime with another. The US government and Mr. Karzai mostly rely on Northern Alliance criminal leaders who are as brutal and misogynist as the Taliban.

RAWA believes that freedom and democracy can’t be donated; it is the duty of the people of a country to fight and achieve these values. Under the US-supported government, the sworn enemies of human rights, democracy and secularism have gripped their claws over our country and attempt to restore their religious fascism on our people.

At feministe, Frau Sally Benz links to an interview with a RAWA spokeswoman known only by the pseudonym "Zoya." Zoya's on a speaking tour, but her face is blurred out for her own safety. Even in occupied Afghanistan, it's dangerous for women to speak out.

Westerners usually frame the debate over U.S./NATO policy in Afghanistan is usually framed as a choice between handing the country back to the Taliban or propping up the Karzai regime. The latter is assumed to be a dramatically better option for women's rights.

Karzai pays lip service to women's rights, but jettisons them whenever they need to make a compromise to stay in power. It should be noted that the Karzai government was responsible for the infamous Shia Family Law which legalized marital rape within Shia marriages.

Last month, Malalai Joya, a former member of the Afghan parliament, told Michelle Goldberg of the Daily Beast that the situation for Afghan women is every bit as bad under Karzai as it was under the Taliban. Joya is also concerned that civilian casualties are fueling popular support for the Taliban.

RAWA and its grassroots allies think that pro-democracy forces could transform the country on their own without U.S. military occupation. That's a point of view we seldom hear in U.S. media.

I don't know how realistic it is to think that pro-democracy forces could prevail against warlords and the Taliban, but the question hasn't gotten nearly as much attention as the issue of whether the U.S. could force reform at gunpoint. Maybe RAWA and its allies would have a better shot at power if the occupation wasn't shoveling billions of dollars to the most reactionary elements in society.

Category: English, RAWA in Media

coming later, the other side of misogyny, the rapes, oppression, brutality against Christian women, in nations, that oppress their women [the beauty of the male hierarchy eh] that we Don't hear about....because, if we are going to confront violence against women, THEN IT HAS TO BE, FOR ALL WOMEN, not just Muslim women or Christian women or Secular women, but ALL WOMEN,

or our 'cries' will go unheard by God, who IS NO RESPECTER, OF PERSONS.

Natasha

Natasha

I am, today, livid...actually, I'm livid quite a lot of the time, Why? Because, I live in a nation where numerous 'churches' in the name of God, support a system, a government, that is all in love with War--using 'moral reasoning's' that are really just BOGUS,

to support, Wealth, but not only supporting wealth but more often than not, to clean up their MESSES they made when they propped up the despots in THE FIRST DAMN PLACE, such as the Taliban [we so forget that it was the United States that kissed the asses of Taliban to fight the Communists back during the butcher Reagan years],

not only that, but we forget, that the majority of murderers on the planes of 9-11 were from Saudi, yet our president kisses the hand of the king of Saudi, a nation that just prior refused the divorce of AN 8 YEAR OLD GIRL, for crying out loud, 8 years old, child RAPE, CHILD ABUSE, and here we have leaders who kiss their hands--so much for Democracy and Human Rights [its all lip service],

and now more troops to Afghanistan. I tend to not talk much on these issues with other Christians because I find that they get offended easily--not because they are malicious as much as they, like numerous other Americans, have been 'mislead' through centuries of 'moral reasoning HYPE that America is so good at and its not that America has Always been wrong, no, but since WWII [after] it seems, that America in my opinion, has gone down the tubes as far as 'morals' is concerned, real morals because it became all about Empire and Money. Now, that was going on prior to WWII, and WWI, but, it seems that across the board, culturally, we became a nation that 'spewed Godliness' on the surface but our real love, our real 'god' was $$$$, during the 50s, and it just grew from bad to worse. Now, its about OIL, about Corporations, about Capitalism, about Empire, about protecting the world's elite and that includes political Islam,

and who pays?

WOMEN, CHILDREN, that is who. Since the war in Afghanistan, they have done more, to PROTECT RAPISTS, and they have thrown women and children under the bus, same with Iraq. What is even more infuriating is the hero worship we have in this country [or flat out denial and prosecution] of raping thugs in our own military, who rape not only Civilians but hell, they rape OUR OWN WOMEN, in the Armed Services--with IMPUNITY AND PROTECTION.

What peeves me the most, is to hear Women, support this shit. I believe, and am convinced, it is just the manifestation of geo-political Racism, American exceptionalism and Idolatry, as well as this pious religious 'hypocrisy' that the West has become notorious for. [not to fret, the hypocrisy runs just as rampant in left politics and in Islam and other religions, I blame, the patriarchy on that one].

Anyway, the conditions for women and children in Afghanistan [other than the corrupt RICH] have deteriorated and it will only get worse with the addition of more troops. They won't even prosecute these war lords who daily gang rape girls...yet, they'll protect the courts who punish 10 year old girls for running away from their 'old man rapist pedophile husband' that she has been, against her will, SOLD TO,

its infuriating, to say the least, it is A MORAL INJUSTICE, A PERVERSION OF GOD'S LAWS AND AN OUTRAGE...

I do believe there is a HELL--where many RAPISTS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS WILL GO TO FOR ETERNITY--

A report from Human Rights Watch says,

The already dire plight of women in Afghanistan risks deteriorating further as the US and its allies take steps to turn around the war against the Taliban, according to a report by Human Rights Watch today.

Eight years after the Taliban were ousted from power, rapists are often protected from prosecution, women can still be arrested for running away from home, and girls have far less access to schools than boys, the report says.

see rest of report here:

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/12/07/plight-of-afghan-women-may-worsen-as-war-effort-is-stepped-up-warns-report.html

when I go to church or read a Christian bulletin or hear some one on Christian radio, brag and talk about how 'moral' we are, to send troops,

I want to scream, SCREAM---TELL THAT, TO THIS GIRL, AND BE SURE TO TELL HER, HOW MUCH GOD LOVES HER, IN YOUR SO CALLED 'AMERICAN' WAY

...

RAWA: Samia, a 14-year-old Afghan girl victim of gang-rape by warlords in Sar-e-Pul province in Northern Afghanistan. She told to an Afghan TV Channel on November 24, 2009, that the warlords not only raped but also imprisoned her father and brother when they publicized the issue and asked for justice.

[God help us, because mark my words, and the Bible is very clear on this, this nation, is one day, going to fall hard, and what has happened with impunity to Women and Girls in these countries, while we've lived fat off the land and with insensitivity, it will happen to Women and Girls here--mark my words on that one, the Babylon, of today, America, WILL FALL, one day, mark my words on that one, God is JUST--you do NOT oppress, civilians, AND NOT PAY THE REAPER ONE DAY. What peeves me the most, is the down right INDIFFERENCE of not just men but So many Women here, who 'claim' God...its just, enough to make one want to puke. Now, that in NO WAY means, I support or give voice to the Muslims who want Sharia law and who lie and abuse women, condone slavery, I do not, I am not a CULTURAL RELATIVIST, and I have a long history of slamming leftists, including when I was a communist, for that garbage--I hate the betrayals to women on all fronts, period. But, the thing is, one would Expect more, from those who profess Christ, who profess Grace, Forgiveness, Love, and when I see and/or hear, Christians, who as SINNERS celebrate or are indifferent to the rapes and horrors done to women, civilians, to other peoples, it MAKES ME ANGRY, and I know, enough reading the Word of God, it makes God angry too. What is more, is when I see/hear/read Christian women, being apathetic, even making 'excuses' for American boys, who do this garbage, I say, throw their asses in jail, and hang them out to dry--there is NO excuse, for rape, abuse, torture, of civilians and women, etc., children, there is NO excuse for kissing the hands of butchers and child butchers---and surely, not in the name of Democracy, and most definitely not, in the Name of God.]

For this reason, I don't support the wars in either Iraq or Afghanistan, one, they haven't done anything to curb terrorism, hell we got more threats now than prior to 9-11, if they were so concerned about terrorism, then they would one, stop pandering and kissing the asses of Sharia Proponents and that includes their 'banking', they would stop tolerating 'excuses' for abuses under Cultural Relativism [that goes for the far left-left too, they are hypocrites of the worst kind, anti-religion but not anti-theocracy and to hell with women, their equality is Useless argument on me],

they leave us wide open, not only that, especially in Europe, are more and more, giving way to Sharia laws while sacrificing the people, citizens and their own Constitutions, why worry about terrorism when your government is practically handing over your nation-state to the Islamists who are just like Taliban--and doing so, with YOUR TAX DOLLARS????? Sort of moronic, don't you think?

Meanwhile, the poverty 'recruitment' for the military goes on, women are raped with impunity, both civilians, children AND armed forces women, with nothing but lip service, the drug lords are in full power, the rape-war lords rule with impunity, the gap between the 'rich' and 'the poor' is so wide in those nations its not even funny, makes the French Revolution look tame in comparison,

and the rich, are laughing all the way to the bank--with the Religious folks, holding up the glasses of cheer....because hey, its all about 'our security', right?

Right...yea, like, whatever,

meanwhile, more girls today, will be gang raped while the war lords are catered to by none other than the US government. But hey, God will just continue to 'wink, wink' at America, Right?

[read the Bible, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Malachi, etc., for the answer to that one, read Amos--because judgment, one day, will be coming, to America, you can count on it.]

Solidarity,

Jane

Natasha

URGENT PRAYER AND ACTION ALERT, URGENT PRAYER AND ACTION ALERT

from Women in Islam, http://thewomenofislam.blogspot.com/

Rifqa Bary In Solitary Confinement
The vise is tightening further on Rifqa Bary, the teenage girl who converted to Christianity from Islam and then fled to Florida from her Ohio home in fear for her life. Now she is in foster care in Ohio, in imminent danger of being returned to her family, and the Ohio authorities, at the command of the Barys’ lawyer, continue to isolate her.

Rifqa Bary has been in Ohio for well over a month and still there is no “approved visitation” list of friends who are allowed to see her. How can this be? How can it be that friends who request a visit, and whom Rifqa requests to visit, are repeatedly told that “there is no approved visitation list”? Is it not the very mission by objective of children’s services to protect the health and welfare of a child? Why has this one child in particular been denied visits from friends?

Rifqa has also been deprived of access to the phone and Internet. She has also been denied “pastoral guidance.” Convicts, murderers, rapists, and pedophiles all have access to “pastoral guidance.” Rifqa’s close friend and fellow ex-Muslim, Christian pastor Jamal Jivanjee, explains: “If you are incarcerated in an American prison today, you have the right to have a visit from a Pastor. Rifqa Bary does not have this most basic right that most criminals have today.” Is that how powerful and influential Islamic supremacists have become in the state of Ohio -- that one young girl is starved of spiritual nourishment so as not to insult Islam?

WHAT YOU CAN DO

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/merry-christmas-rifqa.html

see story here as well: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34612

SHARIA LAW IN AMERICA? OH, YOU BET.....OHIO--FREE RIFQA, WE ARE NOT A 'SHARIA' COUNTRY, RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, IS JUST THAT--

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, THIS IS A HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE, AND ITS A WOMEN'S HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE.

Natasha

Greetings all,

since my last post, I've been going through this 'skeptical' period, for various reasons, and I wanted to give you an update.

I went back to the Scriptures and went to the book of Luke. Then I read Amos. [again] And I came to these conclusions:

1. Its not the scriptures but the 'abuse of scriptures' by men, by institutions, by 'religions' [referring to Christianity here] and the 'influence' of those abuses, that have been spewed for Centuries, have a negative influence, even on one who may not have read the Bible, and do so for the first time, because those 'indoctrinations', false ones I may add, condition us to see through a certain patriarchal 'lens'. Its only when you take the Bible apart, and read it, section by section, and read the entire context--rather than take out, that you see, a very different meaning.

2. Where there is the most abuse of scriptures and especially in 'cult-like' churches that are extremely patriarchal, there is also, an emphasis on Idolatry, love of money or striving for success, and a deeply rooted prejudice against the 'underclass', or those who are 'different'. In other words, the emphasis will always be first, the entitlement to 'subjugate' women, and then, the 'entitlement' to 'have' and if at the expense of others, there will always be 'justifications' along the line of 'us verses them'.

3. The patriarchal churches [or cults, fertility cults] will also gloss over numerous scriptures and 'focus' on the same ones, out of context, over and over and over and over, also, there tends to be a lot of 'money making' ministries that will also utilize the 'misery' that is caused by those teachings, meanwhile, it becomes nothing more than an industry of oppression [subtle] and 'profit off of misery'.

So, what is the answer then, write off Christianity?

Well, I thought about it, I wrestled with it, I even questioned my faith and if there truly was a God or if Jesus existed, I questioned if Jesus only died for 'men'. I even watched a video [by Muslims] that took many scriptures and portrayed the faith as the most misogynist...

but then, I went, and looked at every scripture they used--sure enough--they were taken way out of context and not only that, they were taken way out of the meaning completely,

like, ones that are often pulled from the Old Testament. There is one, that is used a lot, the statements made by Solomon. But if you go back, and read the entire books of Solomon And Proverbs, you will see that what he is saying, is

not that there isn't good women--or that women are inferior, but that, Men tend to have these 'expectations' of this perfect 'fantasy' woman [sounds familiar with men to day] and that, there IS NO SUCH THING,

and Solomon would know, he had like over 500 wives and concubines. This was a man who wanted wisdom, who wanted to find the best that life had to offer, and he found, in the end [the book of Eccl] that all that was worth living for, was a relationship with God and to live a good life, meaning, doing 'good' to others, rather than living for 'gratifying self'.

See you have to be careful with a lot of scriptures because its so easy, to construe a wrong meaning--that is why, the Word is Spirit, and Truth, not literal, 'carnal nature' of man, because we see things, from a very negative and sinful view. [our carnal nature]

Many [not all, but the good ones are very few these days] churches [women haters] will yes, use those scriptures to 'back up their misogyny', but they will completely omit, the hundreds of Other scriptures, where God reveals His Love for women. One book, is Proverbs, in fact, I believe Proverbs was written in a lot of ways, for Women...because Proverbs goes into a lot of wisdom, in how to 'avoid' the wrathful man, such as, beware of those who flatter with words and gifts. [good advice, how many of us know That lesson]

Also, in Proverbs, there is a very similar scripture, like in Eccl, that says, 'who can find a righteous man'?. Not to mention, Wisdom, is called SHE, several times, in the Bible.

When I read Amos, I saw how God hates several things [and will not turn back punishment for either]

1. ethnic cleansing, especially by raping women
2. wealth at the expense of the poor, and if you really read the Bible, the 'greed' of capitalism is no way, supported by Scripture, anywhere.
3. cities and fortresses at the expense of the poor and weak, and on blood [violence]
4. violence, including, gloating over the violence [or taking part in] the plundering of another [and not letting go of anger--meaning, generational revenge, is a big NO NO as far as God is concerned].

There are several other scriptures I found, where God slayed men, Men WHO RAPED women, who cut up women--God hates it. No ands, ifs, ors, buts about it, He hates the oppression of the weak,

in the New Testament, Jesus was very blunt, about the punishment and how God views 'child abuse', that would include forced child marriages, abusing girl children, etc.,

He said, 'it would be better for them [the abuser] to have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea', and that 'their angels are always before the Face of God, reporting, on how children are treated.'

But what is also neat, about Solomon, was the story about Queen of Sheba, I read that one, and the Lord spoke through Solomon to her, She saw, how even Solomon's servants, were dressed like kings and how they lived and she was impressed,

Solomon treated her with the utmost respect, not once was she bridled for being wise or for being a 'female ruler', and Solomon's kingdom, [apart from the harems] was representative in many ways of God's Heavenly Kingdom--how women AND servants are treated,

Jesus always said, the 'last will be first, the least first, etc.', meaning, the 'hierarchy' of POWER that we value in our world, is not going to be in Heaven,

Jesus said, the greatest in Heaven is the servant here on earth--meaning, that those who have Power and status here, aren't going to be that in Heaven, because Heaven plays by a whole different set of rules--the rules of Love,

not Power, not Hierarchy [other than God and Jesus and the Angels, there is hierarchy but NOT the kind of hierarchy we have on earth], and there IS no abuse of power there.

In Acts, the first 'true' church, was in fact, communal, they distributed among themselves so that NO one was in need---and this is stressed through out the Entire New Testament.

What we have today, in the West, is so far from scripture its not even funny--I say the West because in nations where Christianity is a persecuted faith, the churches there tend to be far more along the ways and behaviors of the early church [Biblical]. Though they may still be patriarchal and misogynist, depending on the 'culture' norms and those are being challenged in many countries [a lot due to necessity for survival].

Maybe that is what it takes though--trial by fire--to purge the power and the greed and the 'sexism' from many a church, it does weed out the chaff from the wheat.

Anyway, so going back to scriptures, I found, that the problem, at least for me, was attempting to 'find' Christ in many churches, when in fact, I found the opposite, I found, a facade, a 'religion' that really, is not that different from the sexism and racism and classism that is in the world,

which leaves me to question then, How much, of the 'culture' of the world, has polluted the church? Well, the Bible says, in the end days, the church would go 'apostate',

and only a 'remnant' would be saved.

So what to do then,

well, after a long struggle, prayer, and self-reflection, I went back, and looked through, many of the 'issues' I used to be so passionate about and it dawned on me, Why was I giving those up? Why was I trying to fit into some 'American Christian mold' and become this woman, that I clearly am not? Was God really the one telling me to become this woman,

or was it 'conditioning'?

So back to the Bible and when I read Luke, then I saw it...the story of Mary, Jesus's mother, the story of Elisabeth, and the story of Anna, the Prophetess. All three of these women, praised God, for His help to them, in a very intimate way,

Mary, said, God was Her Savior [not her husband, like what many patriarchs teach]
Elisabeth said, God removed her reproach [shame] among men, because in those days, a woman's worth was only if she could produce a son...women had no 'societal' worth then, but to God, women had worth, just for being her human self. [and there are numerous scriptures to show this]
Anna, who prayed night and day, prophesied, to Mary and Joseph, [so much for the women don't have any role in the church that misogynists spew today].

Then there is the way, gentle and loving way Jesus treated women--and how God heals women, in the most intimate of ways too, those ways that 'men' deem as unclean, inferior, a curse,

the woman with the bleeding non-stop, whom Jesus healed. Jesus didn't rebuke her, and then, the woman caught in adultery, Jesus didn't condemn her, He only said, sin no more.

The men did though, they tried to stone her, but Jesus said, 'who of you that has no sin, throw the first stone'...then the Bible says, Jesus was writing in the dirt,

made me think, was He writing the Ten Commandments, like He did when He carved them on stone? [the Lord God]

Anyway, after reading Luke, I knew then...what I had to do.

I had to trust in God, and sift through, or dump, the 'wrong teachings', the 'cult indoctrinations that yes, many are taking over many churches' and well, if it means, going it alone--so be it,

and living the Life, in the Micro, because I can't do anything about the Macro. I can do my part--but we can't change it. WE, after all, are not 'gods', we're just clay.

So I'm back, working on ethical consumption, back recycling, being green, back to working in advocacy and one on one with the homeless and poor, back doing the things, I believe in,

and fighting for women's human rights and children's rights. And let me just say,

its good, to be back to my 'good' self again--maybe that is what it means, when it says, Jesus restores to us our soul.

I may not be 'mainstream' Christianity--but that's o.k., because maybe, mainstream, is not the good way--didn't Jesus say, the road to hell is wide, the gates to destruction many go through,

the way to God, is narrow,

and I do believe, that narrow way, is the way of Love [not hedonist love or tolerant to sin love, but Love that seeks the good of others]. Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, the Life, NO man-woman, comes to God-Heaven but through ME.

Living the Way, living the Truth, and living the Life--in Christ,

it ain't the 'church', and its not 'easy' either [and He did say, it wouldn't be], especially because, you find yourself, going against the grain,

there is a good web site, I like, that deals with confronting the misogyny in the churches,

I will close, leaving it here.

Peace, Solidarity in Christ,

http://dannimoss.wordpress.com/about/

There ARE people, Christians, who are confronting the 'false' teachings and the abuses in the modern day churches...there are also, what they call, egalitarians,

so God is working.

So while I may be going against the 'grain', I find, I am not going against the grain, alone...

and that's a good thing, to Praise the Lord about. So, I'm sticking to my faith--just weeding out, the chaff,

while the Lord, does the same, in working in me. [and there is a lot of chaff still, that needs to go I might add, but He's not done with me yet!]

Peace

Natasha

Well, in my journey, search,

I am dumping 'church'. There is more similarities between today's FACADE and CULTIC CHRISTIANITY with ISLAM, than I thought...

while I have seen the true nature of God in some jewels of the Bible in regards to women, I can not ignore the REALITY of OPPRESSION, BRUTAL MISOGYNY, that yes, is SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURES.

Scriptures taken literally--I have thus far concluded, that UNLESS one takes the entire Bible, seriously, and FEARS GOD, FEARS PUNISHMENT FOR
BEING

CRUEL AND UNLOVING

that includes YES, TO YOU MEN...LOVE BEGINS IN THE HOME,

then patriarchy and misogyny will go on.

The TRUTH IS,

misogyny has roots in ALL RELIGIONS, so, until we confront them--and all religions INCLUDES PHILOSOPHY, YES, A LOT OF 'FEMINIST' PHILOSOPHY AND YES, PAGANISM THAT IS MORE WOMAN CENTERED--MISOGYNY HAS ALWAYS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE FALL--THE ROOT,

but, in the history of CHRISTIANITY, misogyny has been PROTECTED AND SANCTIONED UNDER 'GOD' AND STILL IS TODAY IN WHAT I WILL CALL--CULTS [ I would go as far to include many of the mainstream churches]. NOTE: JESUS SAID TO ASK, SEEK, KNOCK--READ ALL BIBLE FOR YOURSELF, RATHER THAN DEPEND ON WHAT MEN SAY, ITS SAFER.

the spiritual abuse and misogynist abuse [including rapes with impunity] JUST CAN'T BE IGNORED,

we can poke at Islam all we want--but the SAME BELIEFS, ARE YES, IN THE 'RELIGION' OF CHRISTIANITY,

the question is, then, what to do about them?

I don't believe the answer is in man centered philosophies or those by women but that once you peel the layers away have just as much or more hate for 'woman', womb.

I believe, maybe the answer is more on the MICRO LEVEL, that we love--overcome evil with good. And maybe, that is what the Bible really was telling us,

anyway...where I'm at now.

Natasha

I'm back,

after a very, very long 'blogging' vacation' or rather, a leave of absense. I had, on numerous occasions, debated whether to just completely 'delete' my blogs and just be done with all of it,

the writing, activism,

and just return to the shelter of domesticality.

Its been a struggle...a Spiritual struggle, more than anything because, loe and behold, when I first started seeking answers, from God, I had sought answers to my 'complaints' of 'injustices' and especially those towards women.

Of course, you see, when the Holy Spirit gets a hold of a person, He does reveal His love, to you, but, then comes, the real messy stuff,

He reveals, the ugly stuff, sin, the nastiness, of yourself.

Oh yea, then, your entire perceptions and long held beliefs get Entirely turned upside down, when you realize,

that, YOU, the judge and juror,

are the one, being Judged, by a Holy God, by His standards and His laws,

then, its a different ballgame. Then, its not so much, you victim, the world the wrong one...that includes, yes, Men. Oh yea,

ugly little truth that we like to not see, but truth nethertheless. And guarantee you, it is the same for any Man who gets Real and Honest before a Holy God and sees himself in God's light, not in his own 'male entitlement' light,

God's ways are not our ways nor His thoughts our thoughts. But God is just,

and God is kind. And in His loving Grace and Kindness, through the Redemption in Jesus Christ, and ONLY through Jesus Christ,

does He begin to not only Show us our true state, but He begins to work in our hearts, to restore our souls, and to give back, what the locusts have eaten....

He shows you, if you truly SUBMIT to His Lordship, what LOVE really is...not just Love for Him, but Love for others, both men AND women. God is no respector of persons [Acts10:34],

what He requires of men He requires of women and vice versa.

The 'traditions' of the world and religions and of patriarchs, may have some parts of scripture woven in, but they are hardly, the Truth of God. NOR do they portray the TRUE CHARACTER OF GOD,

in fact, many of them, are down right BLASPHEMOUS.

God is, I have found, NOT A MISOGYNIST,

NOR DOES HE, APPROVE, OR CONDONE, THE MISTREATMENT OF WOMEN, IN ANY FORM, MANNER, WAY, OR MEANS.

AND God will, repay, all those who harm girls, women, children....be ASSURED OF THAT.

Any teaching, that condones or allows the mistreatment, rape, kidnapping, abuse of women, is NOT of God,

ITS FROM THE PITS OF HELL--OF SATAN,

period. That is the Bible...there IS no getting around it, you either believe it, or you don't.

Many have taken the 'submission' scriptures and have twisted them to not just enable abuse of women but to indoctrinate women to tolerate abuse or to accept it as God's assignment for them, but through months of prayer and studying and seeking God's Perfect Will, I have been seeing, through the Holy Spirit, how the warped sinful nature of man, has twisted, scripture, for their own selfish agendas. Women can do this too...anyone can, that is what it means, to

mold 'gods' in our own image.

But, in saying this, let me stress this, because it is of Vital Importance,

while God in His Loving Character does in no way Abuse or Condone the Abuse of Women, or of anyone for that fact,

He doesn't allow us, to 'pay back' or to 'revile' or to 'hate' or to 'overthrow'....contrary to what many have espoused, even using scriptures,

but God commands us, to submit and to learn

OBEDIENCE.

NOT to men, but to GOD.

God, is looking for, obedience, because the first sin...committed by BOTH Adam and Eve, not just Eve as the 'liars' like to say,

is that of

DISOBEDIENCE to GOD.

Now, before your head pops off in rage...because in a world where authority is so abused by Evil and Wicked men,

what God wants for Obedience, isn't from this nature of a Tyrant, Abusive, Misogynist God,

hardly, but from a Loving Father [and yes, a Loving Mother, because God is Spirit, He isn't a man, He clearly states so in His Word...and He has both male-female character and reveals himself-herself as both...not as a 'goddess' no, but as God, the Trinity, God, reveals Herself--Himself, but as Her, when He refers to 'She' as Wisdom...Proverbs, written by Solomon, but Proverbs is more a book for women, and to the powerless, in a world consumed by the ambition of abuse and power. There are many 'jewels' for women in the Bible, that are so overlooked by the Mainstream 'church' that its not even funny...

and I will begin to share them here, because one thing I have found in my journey, is that Jesus, is a feminist's best friend,

a woman's best friend.

I would rather Jesus be my defense now, because I KNOW, one day, He is, going to make all those who willfully and in their refusal to come to Him, who abuse women and even more so, who abuse children--women included here, --to give account, and trust me, it is a Fearful thing, to fall into the hands, of a Holy Lord and Holy God. God will forgive, if we repent,

but for those who Refuse to Repent,

repent mean turning away and letting Christ transform them, its more than just 'believing' He exists,

well, ain't nothing going to save them, put it that way. Because 'no flesh' will be justified in the sight of God, period.

All have sinned, All have fallen short of the glory of God [Romans, read entire book]

Well, anyway, so, in this journey, God has been doing a lot of work, in Me, in my life, and its not been a 'fun' journey, my sins and iniquities are piled so high that without God's grace through Jesus, I'd be damned, to eternal hell. Let me really state that to you all and make that Very clear,

and well, that's everyone, and if you don't believe that, just ask God, to reveal it to you...go to His light, and He'll show you.

That is what Redemption is, not of our 'works' lest any man/woman should boast, don't matter How much you pray a day, don't matter How much you fast, don't matter How much you chant or How much you are 'religious' or How much you go to church or How much you don't drink or sleep around,

if you ever lusted in your heart--you've sinned against God, if you've ever hated anyone in your heart--you've sinned against God, if you've ever had one evil thought or pride thought, of your own righteousness--you've sinned against God, if you've ever 'judged' anyone--you've sinned against God...

ONLY through the accepting of God's gift, Grace--the Blood Redemption work of His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, are we saved, from Hell,

period.

Believe me, as God has ripped open the 'veil' off my eyes and has shown me the depths of the base sinful nature and I have tried to rid myself of that nature, that nature has gotten stronger and that is what is 'sin',

its a 'law', a spiritual law, because NO one will be 'gods' except God. Any attempt to force oneself into Heaven by their own 'righteousness' is that pride nature--of Satan, that 'I will be god',

the thing is, though, its Soooooo deceptive, because it can look sooooooo good.

That is what the tree of knowledge of 'good and evil' is, that fruit,

totally opposite from that Tree of LIFE.

And the amazing thing is, as God has shown me my true 'fallen' nature self [not the self that He created me to be, before the fall--He is showing that to me now and that is what it means, when David says, that He restores our soul],

is that He has been showing me, how He truly sees and LOVES women.

And its not, what so many think.

Its not about 'gender roles' as the super-patriarchs like to pro-claim. Those are the rudiments and traditions of MEN,

not the commands of God.

NOT that God didn't command, under the old covenant and the new covenant, gender rules, He did, but NOT for the reasons, often proclaimed, and not in the 'way' they are often, proclaimed. But because of SIN,

there is, yes, in THIS WORLD, a hierarchy, not designed by God, but the result of Sin...disobedience to God,

that wanting 'independence' from God.

The thing is though, we weren't created, to be 'independent' from God, we were created, For God,

this is a hard one to swallow, and that is because of our sinful natures, what Paul calls the Carnal man, our carnal nature can't grasp this, because our carnal nature, is that fallen nature.

But now, here's the Beauty, of being created, For God's pleasure,

that I have been finding,

God is LOVE.

That is right, LOVE,

we were created for LOVE's pleasure.

think about it...that includes both men and women.

Not for hate, not for abuse, not for tyranny, not for fear, not for oppression, not for slavery,

but for Love.

That is Why, Heaven is Paradise, in God's Holy Presence,

because hate isn't allowed there, of ANY KIND,

God is no respector of persons.

That means, MISOGYNY, ISN'T ALLOWED IN HEAVEN EITHER...NOR WILL MISOGYNISTS, GO TO HEAVEN.

Haters and murder's [who don't repent] won't get into Heaven, nor will sorcerers or liars or those who love the lie.

That lie, btw, is the 'religious' lie...the 'philosophical' lie, the 'political' lie, that 'I am righteous' and don't need Christ's redemption and lordship Lie.

And here's the awesome thing about Christ's Lordship,

He didn't come to rule as a tyrant,

but He came, to SERVE AND TO BE OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH.

God, Himself, reconciled both Men AND Women, to Himself,

sinful, disobedient, self-serving, hating, murdering, stealing, disrespectful, misogynist, child butchering, raping, proud, stubborn, human beings,

who worship the works of their hands, the things of the earth [that God created] yet,

refuse to Love and Submit to God...

God, in His perfect Holiness and LOVE,

showed His true Character, in Jesus Christ,

and His Love, for Women, Elderly, the Sick, the Demon Possessed,

and He, shed His own blood, endured torture, at the hands of the very ones He created,

so He

could

Save Them.

All they have to do, is come to Him, admit their sins, receive Him, and let Him, change their hearts and spirits.

Wow, what AN AWESOME GOD....

the world thrives on strength and power and abuse and hierarchies and hate,

and Jesus, showed us, leaving HIS place of All POWER AND AUTHORITY, TO COME DOWN IN FLESH..THE WORD MADE FLESH,

AND PUTTING UP, WITH THE HATE OF THOSE WHO REJECTED HIM,

IN HIS LOVE,

TOWARDS US,

TO RECONCILE US TO HIM, because there is no way, we can 'undo' our sins...no way,

and He knew it. And there is no way, we can fulfill the righteousness of the law that GOD requires,

in perfection,

so, He exchanged our sinfulness for His righteousness, what that means is, HE, in us, works to transform us, into His righteousness.

Know what 'righteousness' is?

Its doing, right,

its doing right, to Love God and to Love your neighbor as yourself, neighbor,

not just men, not just women, not just children, not just the rich, not just the poor,

but, to your neighbor.

IF you LOVE,

you don't curse, you don't hit, you don't intimidate, you don't kill, you don't rape, you don't torture, you don't insist on your way, you don't talk hateful, you don't lie and break hope and trust in people, you don't do those things,

because when we LOVE we don't do those things.

To the ones who love us, or to the ones who hate us.

That, summing it up, is obedience,

not easily done, in a world where abuse is rewarded, where wickedness thrives,

but like in Job, chapters 32-36 [read entire book], God says,

He uses affliction, to get our attention, because in our prideful sinful nature, we wouldn't even Seek God,

and that is true.

What God has shown me, through numerous scriptures and in prayer, about women, is that, God has revealed and shared Himself, to women, on ways and on very intimate levels that we often don't see, because our vision is so clouded,

especially by internalizations of abuse.

And I'll close this, for now, with something in Genesis...

when God, spoke to Eve, about what would come about, He didn't 'curse' her, as many say, no where does it say, HE cursed Eve or Adam,

He cursed the serpent [Satan] and the ground,

but not Adam and Eve, but God did say, these things will happen now because of your actions,

to Eve, we always hear the pain in childbirth and so forth...but, if you have a Bible, go and read that, slowly,

God tells the Serpent [Satan] that He will put 'emnity' between him and the WOMAN,

that means, hate.

Evil, will have hate, towards the WOMAN,

and, vice versa.

And then, Satan's seed will hate, her seed...

and vice versa....

not 'seeds' mind you, but 'seed',

Misogyny--is from SATAN.

not from God.

so, the 'hate' of women, is not from God--its from Satan,

and ask yourself, why that is?

Eve, is the 'mother of all living',

if, the tree of knowledge, of good and evil, produces 'death'

the tree of life, produces life.

God works in mysterious ways, His ways are not our ways...

this in NO way, means women, are 'holier' or 'purer' than men, because go back--the serpents seed will hate the seed of woman, and vice versa,

seed can bring forth both male and female.

In the end--the seed, that promised seed, crushes the head of the serpent....[see Revelations]

Through out scripture, I have been finding jewels, of God's love to women, and not that He doesn't love men, because He does,

but the 'jewels' have been deliberately 'ignored' by many 'religious' and misogynists and pro-patriarchal folks,

to condone and be tolerant of the abuse to women AND children,

God sees all, and there isn't Anything, done in secret, that won't be exposed...God Will, repay the wicked, He says so, that includes,

those who harm women, and think they are 'justified' in doing so. Even Jesus said, to the disciples, that there would be those who 'will kill you thinking they are doing God a favor',

He wasn't just talking about the Pharasees, but of those who profess God in future who would butcher and kill and rape

women and peoples.

There is tons more, but I'll close with this for now....but let me say, after all these months, seeking God, seeking answers, I have found them,

and I am at peace. For the first time in my life, I am at peace, and I know Love,

and for the first time, I can really say, I really Don't fear, what 'man' can do to me....because God,

has and is, restoring my soul, removing the poison and the hate, and is showing me, every day, in some of the most intimate of ways, His love, for me...and how Precious, I am to Him,

as His Daughter, a Woman.

And I can say, I trust in Him, with my Soul....

Peace,

Natasha

Natasha

This is why I left the Socialist Left in America, and came back to my faith in Christ....

as this is what they support,

see:

Friday, August 7, 2009

450 (child) Brides for 450 (Islamic) Brothers?

Well, I had decided to end the blog when the website subscription ran out, but I find myself so angry about this situation I have to write.

WHAT KIND OF NUTTINESS IS THIS? In the Gaza Strip, HAMAS holds a mass wedding to rival that of Sun Myung Moon. But to Moon's credit, at least the women involved WERE WOMEN! But these are LITTLE GIRLS! I don't know who to be angrier at: Hamas or the Parents of these poor babies! You can read about the story HERE . It simply sickens me!

read the rest here: http://thewomenofislam.blogspot.com/2009/08/450-child-brides-for-450-islamic.html

God has strict commands against 'passing the children through the fire'

these men, have bought a sure ticket, to Hell.

Natasha

Natasha

Why I, as a British Muslim woman, want the burkha banned from our streets

By Saira Khan
Last updated at 8:40 AM on 24th June 2009

Shopping in Harrods last week, I came across a group of women wearing black burkhas, browsing the latest designs in the fashion department.

The irony of the situation was almost laughable. Here was a group of affluent women window shopping for designs that they would never once be able to wear in public.

Yet it's a sight that's becoming more and more commonplace. In hardline Muslim communities right across Britain, the burkha and hijab - the Muslim headscarf - are becoming the norm.

READ THE REST HERE, SHE NAILS IT....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195052/Why-I-British-Muslim-woman-want-burkha-banned-streets.html#

WE SHOULD HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THE CUSTOM HERE, ESPECIALLY, FORCING YOUNG GIRLS, TODDLERS EVEN, TO WEAR IT,

AND I CONCUR, COVERING YOUNG GIRLS, TO 'PROTECT THEM' YET, SELLING THEM OFF IN MARRIAGE AND THEY DO, WITH FGMS [FEMALE CASTRATIONS WHICH ARE OPPOSED TO 'GOD'S LAW, THE MOST HIGH GOD, not the 'demon gods' of RA and Molech--ETC] 'and they continue to pass these little girls through the fire....just as they did, in Ancient Babylon] is absolutely horrid,

its no different than other religions, forcing temple shrine prostitutes [Benin, Ghana, Nigeria, etc., and trafficking--to Rome, of all places, surprise surprise NOT],

AND False Christians -- a.k.a. mind control CULTS that indoctrinate, via mind control, spiritual abuse, the rapes/marital rapes and imprisonment of women and children...

its all the same misogynist garbage [and there IS a real danger, in one False Christian CULT that wants dominion, just like Islam...and in fact, they are in co-hoots with the Islamists AND Obama, gee, another, surprise surprise, and no, they aren't 'jews']

anyway....I've researched enough misogyny this past few months to last me a lifetime...

but, CASE IN POINT,

THE DEBASING TREATMENT OF WOMEN, IN MANY OF THESE COUNTRIES, IS YES, CONNECTED,

TO THE HIERARCHY AND THE TEMPLE SHRINE PROSTITUTES [ESP OF THOSE LITTLE GIRLS] THAT WAS GOING ON IN ANCIENT

MESOPOTAMIA...

THE NEPHALIM, ARE MOST SURELY, HERE...AND THE ATTACKS ON WOMEN

HAVE ONLY JUST BEGUN.

six six six...

you know, that Black Cube, has Six sides,

six, sex, hex, figure it out...its called

BABYLON FOLKS.

And BABYLON, WANTS DOMINION, OVER THE WORLD.....

resist, and DO NOT, BOW.

Natasha

Natasha

Natasha

I have been away for while so not able to write on this...[doing some other needed work, research on the Truth, about the Value of Women, in ancient Judaism and the early Christian Body of Christ before the 'misogynists' and the 'dogs of circumcision'

and the rising of the Babylonian and Sumerian 'goddess and god influences' [and they are Global, why the violence against women and children, especially 'sex' violence, passing Children girls through the fire, so to speak] that are stronger than ever today...of course,

fed by the blood of children and women

took over and formed a worldwide type of magistrate...[including in many Churches, false church]

so, not been writing,

but, here, Support the Revolution in Iran....once Persia, known as Persia...

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/

see anti-porn post below,

time to confront the Lies of fornication and its harm effects, time to insist on Separatism until women are treated like HUMAN BEINGS rather than 'penis ashtrays],

and, time for

ANY MEANS NECESSARY, TO END, ALL EXPLOITATION AND ABUSE, OF ALL WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

LOVE, DOES NOT, OPPRESS

NOR, DOES LOVE, IN CHRIST,

IF ITS TRULY 'LOVE'

SHOW RESPECTER, OF GENDER.

EITHER STAND OPPOSED TO OPPRESSION,

OR

CALL YOURSELF A LIAR, BECAUSE IF YOU ALLOW HORRID OPPRESSION OF GIRLS AND CHILDREN

YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST

IS CRAP.

AND IF GOD IS A MISOGYNIST GOD WHO ONLY CREATED WOMEN TO BE PENIS ASHTRAYS

THEN, WHATS THE DIFFERENCE,

IF WOMEN, GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL?

something, really wrong, with the way, God has been painted....and its time, those 'liars', both men and spirits,

who have done the harm to women

PAY.

Natasha

Natasha

http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2009/06/19/boycott-calvin-klein-posts-pornography-on-website/

more profit off of normalizing prostitution, porn and which leads to violent porn

and of course, which is the fuel for the temple global shrines of Marduk, trafficking of girls, boys and women.

Say NO

to Any, company, that supports in any form, normalization, of prostitution and other forms of

SEX SLAVERY.

ANY MEANS NECESSARY,

NO MORE, TOLERANCE, TO THE ENSLAVEMENT OF GIRLS AND WOMEN AS SEX SLAVES OR SLAVES,

PERIOD

TO MAN,

RELIGION

OR CORPORATION.

Natasha

Going back and reading the Christian women--feminists, some not Christian, who worked in the Chartists movement [Marx],

so, before beginning there, want to post this,

because I later, will be finishing up about how the Christian Right is profiting off of the abuse of women, and

looking at what, Amos says, OT.

for now, see: http://www.anarcha.org/sallydarity/CarolEhrlich.htm

FOR UNION--ALSO CHRISTIAN WOMEN'S SPACE -- RADICAL CHRISTIAN FEMINISTS WHO STAND FIRM IN JESUS CHRIST YET REJECT THE PATRIARCHAL AND CAPITALIST IDOLATRY OF TODAY--GO TO

http://homesewersneedleworkersunion-hsnwu.blogspot.com/

Natasha

[update: I am currently researching the MONEY TRAIL and let me just say, it is way more corrupt, I intend to also investigate and research, any ties to the PORN industry, especially trafficking, where the 'elites' are concerned, [seems to appear in the legal structure/elites and the church's role, particularly in the cases of elite structures that cover up or perpetuate rapes, rapes in particular of women of color, e.g. Asian women] and will include them in a full page report once finished. I do want to add, however, there IS a remnant of Christians, who do NOT adhere to the misogyny or dominionist [Satanic] doctrines, doctrines that are in a sinister way, ANTISEMITIC and MISOGYNIST, AS WELL AS IMPERIALIST. I am CONVINCED,

they are CONNECTED TO THE THIRD REICH--NAZIS. Researching this as well....will report what I can here, later]

____________________

Oh yea, I WENT THERE! Or, well, I'm going to go there, just well, not today..but I will be posting a long series on this,

because one, IT'S SO TRUE, and for two, well, IT NEEDS TO BE TOLD.

From yea, a Christian :0

I know, shock eh...

yes, a Christian who can't stomach the majority of White Christians in this country...not the people, no, the mentality, the privilege, the misogyny, the corruption oh my the corruption and well, the flat out hypocrisy...

not so much morally either, just that whole God loves you but oh, uh, don't bother me because well, God bless, He'll heal you, blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah,

LOL.

Trust me people, its all crap...you're better off hanging out with the drunk in the city park, will probably find God more there, than anywhere.

So, anyway, still on leave, but in the time, just wanted to say,

I have a whole lot of things to add to this blog, and this summer I hope to be working on getting a woman's ONLY space, where I live...that is Christ based,

not 'religious' and no, men don't need to apply...its for women only and PATRIARCHAL WOMEN, STAY THE HELL AWAY...GO WORSHIP YOUR HUSBAND, OR SOMETHING,

because this group, is going to be for serving women in need, women who are wounded, women fleeing violence.

And no, they don't need to hear no "submit woman" and all that SHIT that so many Privilege DOGS are making tons of blood money from... these are women who are KNOWINGLY perpetuating the abuse, sexual abuse, marital rape of women and abuse of children...for PROFIT, and yes, in my opinion, they are evil Babylon Whores, agents of Satan himself...I do not believe we can just assume they do only in ignorance when it is quite clear, these women have heard numerous complaints by women who have suffered horrid abuse at the hands of men, Christian husbands [who truly are NOT Christians because the Bible is very CLEAR ABOUT VIOLENT MEN WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD], and these women tell them, even if they die, its for the Glory of God...that is a bold lie from the pits of hell, but a lie, that LINES THEIR POCKETS WITH LOADS OF CASH...BLOOD MONEY, FURS, CARS, WHILE THE BELIEVERS, WOMEN, SUFFER....so yes, as far as I"m concerned,

they are evil dogs. By the way, Paul referred to these false teachers as yes, DOGS, and I use that term, in THAT way, evil dogs, female dogs...jackals, etc.

sound hostile,

you betcha. [YEA AIN'T CHRISTIAN LIKE BUT YOU KNOW, TRUTH SUCKS DOESN'T IT]

Later

Natasha

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Natasha

I will be writing an essay, some time soon, on the Distortion of Proverbs 31.

but for a quick summary, I heard yet, another preacher today on the Radio [I won't say who because I am confronting the teaching and distortion, not the preacher], about Proverbs 31, that has been the idolized 'ideal' of what God desires of women.

This distortion has been more abused and has caused more of a perpetuation of racism, privilege, consumerism, androcentric patriarchy and indifference to the oppression of women worldwide than any other scripture, in my opinion, even worse than the scriptures on women and submission. Therefore, I believe that the manner in which Proverbs 31 is taught to direct, influence and heap guilt onto thousands of women, begs to be challenged.

I believe Proverbs 31 is not some 'perfect Godly ideal' for women to try to achieve, which is, to anyone with any inkling of common sense or mathematical ability to discern time, number of hours in a day, but rather, that Proverbs 31 is God speaking to the millions of women in our world who are mere SLAVES, that they are VALUED, more precious than rubies.

And the best example I can give is the women in Africa, who yes, do live the Proverbs 31 in very much the same manner as women did in Biblical Times. The men sitting at the gates, yes, men in Africa, for example, Do sit at the gates, men who don't life a finger to work,

because their slave WIVES do all the work, and they are some of the world's most exploited, abused, violated, and suffering violence. In their reality, though it is NOT a andro-centric nuclear patriarchy, it is a tribal patriarchy that thrives on hierarchy, particularly among the WIVES, or, WIVES WITH SLAVES, slaves that are usually children, paid and bought for, by men, who claim them as wives but they are really servants, with a very harsh hierarchy. The one at the bottom, does most of the grunge work and takes the most beatings. Countries such as Sierra Leone, for example,

and not just in Africa, but in parts of Asia this also ends to be the social norm. The world looks at these women with disdain, with pity, they are not the glamorous woman that the West holds up, but in God's eyes, because He sees, their oppression, their being devalued and yet, its These women, who hold and preserve entire societies THROUGH THE GENERATIONS, while the men, yes, sit at the gates, men who are privilege, fat with excess and luxury of idle time, and men, who no one dare challenge them to be, better men. Men who are like 'gods' in temples, who can do no wrong,

yet the tears of the thousands upon thousands who break their backs under a heavy yoke and whose spirits are crushed under a heavy cloud of contempt, fill the crevices and rivers that pour out onto the clay cracked soil that yearns for rain, rain of comfort from God.

Proverbs 31 has been the catalyst of the American and Western Puritanical andro-centric patriarchy that forced many a woman to also, rely on slaves, slaves who were African, Mexican, Asian, slaves who were women, yes, the real Women, of Proverbs 31,

but these women did not wear scarlet robes nor were they crowned with jewels, no, these women wore burlap and cotton and polyester. These women wore sun wrinkled skin and hump backs and swollen ankles,

but to God, these women, were the crowned jewels, these women in His eyes wore scarlet robes of nobility, more precious than rubies, their works not going unnoticed, nor will they be invisible.

In our world today, we have thousands of women who work in not just the worst impoverished conditions but who work in labor camps, who work as domestic 'slaves' even here in America, though titled Nannies, these women, many of them from Jamaica and Haiti, work with no days off, no freedom, no room of their own,

it is not the privilege woman with the nannies and the thousand dollar remodeled home with her prada shoes that is the Proverbs 31 woman, though she may be a trophy and a trophy to quite a number of Preachers, Men, who yes, sit at the gates,

no, the Real Proverbs 31 woman, the one that God sees who is worth more than the crown of rubies, is that woman,

you may walk by every day in the market, at the park with the children who are not her own, that woman that sews your clothes for .20cents a day to feed her starving children,

the women in burlap, cotton, naked even...the women who are yes, Proverbs 31.

In solidarity in Christ Jesus,

Jane

[I will be writing far more on this in weeks to come]

Natasha

So, sooo, in this Journey, so many tears, so many wounds, being opened up, and healing,

a long and painful process, yet one that is purifying, I am learning that is what it means when Jesus says 'be born again',

its more than just a one time conversion.

Anyway, God is merciful and slow to anger...

TO THOSE WOUNDED, WHAT ABBA FATHER MEANS, TO WOMEN, HURT BY PATRIARCHY, TO CHILDREN, HURT BY PATRIARCHY

OK, well, after a day of prayer and tears,

got some answers, to the Abba Father, what it means, WHAT IT DOESN'T MEAN.

It does NOT mean, God is Male, as many patriarchs like to put forth, those patriarchs and misogynists who have 'created God in THEIR image'

what it does mean, is that God, is our Spiritual Father, [but God in the Bible also is to us, many other things, including dwelling, which in Hebrew is a female noun, another topic, as I want to do more research on the Hebrew names for God before posting, but one of them, is a female noun in Hebrew, showing the female character of God...in the dwelling, or in one definition, like a bird's nest, birds, and that I could see because Jesus did say, how often I've wanted to gather you like a hen does her chicks],

but, anyway, the Abba Father, is Spiritual, for the heirs, the sons AND daughters...

but, the way, the masculine terminology has been used literal to put up this male Supremacy, hurts women,

hurts children,

because it gives the impression that God and Man has relationship, woman and child, are just appendages.

Who are often, abused, because if they have no value, other than being appendages, then, whats wrong with abusing them, right?

Unfortunately, there are those who truly believe, that women and children have no value other than for man's glory,

so in my journey, Is God a Misogynist, which has opened up so many wounds and internalization's,

it has also, revealed to me, or I should say, God has revealed to me, how sinful people have mischaracterized the character, nature, Holiness of God,

molding God into the Image that THEY want to support, prop up, maintain, perpetuate, the Power that they have over others,

be it religious institutions, social institutions, governments, you name it,

but God is a MORAL AND HOLY GOD, A JUST GOD, as well as A MERCIFUL GOD,

the two go hand in hand, God is not one without the Other,

God is Love,

and LOVE, is, MORAL, HOLY, AND MERCIFUL.

Love is 1 Corinthians 13:4-13

4: Love is patient, love is kind. it does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

5: It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

6: Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth.

7: It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always preserves.

8: Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9: For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

10: but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

11: When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

12: For now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13: And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

The part about when I was a child--is often too, taken as a means of indifference,

apathy,

we are to also, become childlike,

Jesus said: 1 About that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Who is greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?"
2 Jesus called a little child to him and put the child among them.3 Then he said, "I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.4 So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven.
5 "And anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf* is welcoming me.6 But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea. Matthew 18:1-5

That, is why, we call Him,

Abba Father...

GOD DOES LOVE US, BUT GOD'S LOVE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, DOES HAVE CONDITIONS, YET, ITS ALSO, UNCONDITIONAL,

WHAT THAT MEANS IS,

GOD'S LOVE IS MORAL, JUST, GOD WILL NOT LET INJUSTICE GO ON WITHOUT DEALING WITH IT,

GOD'S LOVE IS HUMAN RIGHTS...ANY VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, MALE OR FEMALE, GREEK OR JEW, ADULT OR CHILD,

IS A SIN AGAINST GOD,

GOD'S LOVE IS HOLY, GOD CANNOT SIN, LIE, NOR WILL HE ASSIST SINS, OR LIES,

GOD'S LOVE IS MERCIFUL,

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

—John 3:16

[see also: http://www.scripturemenu.com/BibleVerseList.html?topicid=12

to those who have been wounded by patriarchy, by those who claim God, Jesus, who have abused scriptures or have abused others, by those scriptures,

two things I'd like to say,

one, either they do not know or understand the Justice of God or

two, they do not understand the love and forgiveness of God [once we REPENT] for themselves and they project that onto others...

Because God, does NOT ABUSE, GOD DID NOT CREATE WOMEN, CHILDREN, TO BE APPENDAGES AND OBJECTS FOR MEN TO ABUSE, OR FOR MEN TO OWN,

AND GOD,

DOES NOT LOVE THOSE WHO COMMIT HUMAN RIGHT ABUSES WITH IMPUNITY, MEANING,

YES, HE LOVES THEM....BUT, HE LOVES THEM, MEANING, HE DESIRES NO ONE TO PERISH, OR DIE IN THEIR SINS,

BUT, THERE IS FREE WILL,

IF A PERSON, ABSOLUTELY REFUSES, TO TURN FROM SIN, TO TURN TO GOD IN JESUS, IF THAT PERSON, CONTINUES TO RATIONALIZE AND KEEP ON SINNING AND COMMITTING HUMAN RIGHT ABUSES,

MEANING, INJUSTICES TO 'OTHERS', MALE OR FEMALE, ADULT OR CHILD, IT DOESN'T MATTER,

THEY WILL, HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE BEFORE GOD, BEFORE JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD,

ON THAT DAY.

GOD IS NOT MOCKED....HE IS LOVE, HE LOVES UNCONDITIONALLY, FORGIVENESS, GOD ALSO LOVES, WITH CONDITIONS.

SEE: http://talkingethics.50megs.com/index4.html

IN NO WAY, DOES GOD, SAY, ITS HIS DESIGN, WILL, FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN, TO BE SECOND CLASS

TO BE SUBJUGATED

TO BE ABUSED.

THE MORE I AM LEARNING WHO GOD, JESUS AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS,

THE MORE, I AM CONVINCED,

THAT NO

GOD IS NO

MISOGYNIST.

In Christ Jesus,

Natasha

In Christ,

Natasha

update: I'm having some major trouble, reconciling the Bible, with the conclusion that God is not a Misogynist.

I tried, I truly did, but, make no mistake about it,

there is one scripture, well, no, there are a few others that don't relate to women but could reinforce or, no, they Do reinforce, this scripture,

lets take a look shall we? (1 Peter 2:13 - 3:7) WARNING, WILL TRIGGER

18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. 19 For this [finds] favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a man bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer [for it] you patiently endure it, this [finds] favor with God. 21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps, 22 WHO COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH; 23 and while being reviled, He did not revile in return; while suffering, He uttered no threats, but kept entrusting [Himself] to Him who judges righteously; 24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. 25 For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.

1 In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any [of them] are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior. 3 And let not your adornment be [merely] external—braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses; 4 but [let it be] the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. 5 For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands. 6 Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear.

Now, just to be fair, I did find this, there is some research or some who say, some of the texts, were written, AFTER PAUL AND PETER had died, http://www.religioustolerance.org/nfe_bibl.htm ** see note at bottom

I don't know, honestly, it wouldn't surprise me in the least, it does seem a bit odd, out of character, why, Jesus would treat women one way, and then, boom, back to the old testament woman hating garbage we go...that and with slaves,

I will say, the real hypocrisy of the church, is the fact that,

SLAVERY, HAS BEEN FOR THE MOST PART, ABOLISHED, no way, would Churches today, even speak, unless they are run by KKK, about slaves submitting to masters,

but WHY IS THAT?

WHY IS IT, THESE SO CALLED, BE MEN OF GOD [WHO FORGET, BTW, THAT JESUS, WASHED THE DISCIPLES FEET, NOT SO MANLY BUT EH], DON'T PREACH

WITH THE ZEAL THAT THEY DO

JUSTIFICATIONS FOR SLAVERY?

I'll tell you why,

MEN CAN BE ENSLAVED, slavery wasn't just for women...so,

on one hand, we have, the church, for the most part, still pushing the woman submit, you inferior slave to the God ordained male SUPERSUPREMACY, women are the glory of man, kind of like his DOG, and man, of course, the glory of GOD,

[wonder what the hell will happen to women in heaven, taking That teaching, what, 72 virgins????? Now I know why, radical feminists, don't slam Islam, why should we, its not that much different than Christianity WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN].

Ok well, so,

don't you think, its a bit strange, that slavery, the church doesn't preach, over and over and over and over and we don't have the ongoing debates today,

though their racism steams doesn't it?

But now, the submission of women, why,

gee, since MEN BENEFIT FROM THAT, HEY, NO NEED TO ABOLISH THAT,

AND SO WHAT,

IF MARRIED WOMEN ARE RAPED, BEATEN, CHILDREN RAPED, BEATEN,

BY THOSE OH SO STRONG MANLY MEN OF GOD?

A tad, double standards,

I say,

Church, if ya going to harp on subjugation of women, to protect your male entitlement, then,

why don't you, also, start harping on the SLAVES SUBMIT TO YOUR MASTERS,

AND, BTW, DO IT IN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD,

I'd be kind of curious how that would play out. Instead of FOCUS ON THE FAMILY,

HOW ABOUT

FOCUS ON THE SLAVERY,

all for the Glory of Jesus, that longsuffering, etc., redemptive...

I am glad, though, that I look like a fool, trying to portray God, as not a misogynist, when in fact,

well, can't say for sure He is,

but the BIBLE, DAMN SURE IS

and well, there is just no getting around it. I love Jesus, but,

yes, THE BIBLE, IS MISOGYNIST TO THE CORE.

Its patriarchal, its misogynist and it condones or perpetuates SLAVERY.

Now, see post below, this I believe, is because of a fallen world under sin,

HOWEVER,

WE HAVE FREE WILL,

AND, WE DON'T LIVE, IN ROME, PEOPLE,

WE LIVE, IN AMERICA, WITH SECULAR LAWS,

SO, WHY IN THE HELL, ARE WE PUTTING UP, WITH PREACHERS, FORCING, SLAVERY OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN?

I SAY,

ITS TIME, TO CRACK DOWN AND CRACK DOWN HARD...WE DON'T TOLERATE SLAVERY IN AMERICA

SO WHY THEN

ARE WE TOLERATING

PATRIARCHY AND SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN?

ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE RELIGIOUS GROUPS

FORCING GIRLS TO MARRY, RAPING CHILDREN, COMMITTING INCEST, MEN BEATING THEIR WIVES, MEN ENSLAVING THEIR WIVES

human right abuses, pure and simple,

WE NEED TO SHUT UP, IN THIS COUNTRY, ABOUT THE ABUSES IN ISLAM

IS WE AREN'T WILLING, TO END THE ABUSES IN OUR CHURCHES...AND I DO MEAN,

END THEM.

BECAUSE, MANLY MEN OF GOD AND TALIBAN

SAME DAMN THING.

But then, maybe,

just maybe, THAT IS WHY, THE WEST, IS BEING TAKEN OVER, BY YES, ISLAM

WELL,

GUESS WHAT BROTHER,

YOU MAY BE, TRULY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT IT MEANS,

TO SUBMIT

WHEN THOSE MUSLIM BROTHERS TELL YOU

CONVERT, OR DIE

THEN, BROTHER,

YOU WILL KNOW, WHAT IT IS

TO BE

SUBJUGATED.

AND WHEN THE MUSLIMS ENSLAVE YOU, YOUR WIFE, YOUR DAUGHTERS,

YOU WILL KNOW,

WHAT IT IS, HOW IT FEELS,

TO HEAR,

SLAVES, SUBMIT, NO MATTER WHAT,

QUESTION IS,

I BET, 99%, OF THESE ASSHOLES, WHO SCREAM SUBMISSION AND THE WOMEN WHO PERPETUATE THAT WHEN THE MUSLIMS ENSLAVE THEM AS SEX SLAVES

WON'T BE SO QUICK

TO

STAND UP AND SAY,

HELL YEA,

1 PETER 2:13!

That my friends,

is where, the truth, really does set you free,

those who are pushing the submission doctrine, the most,

are also those, who would be the first, to rise up and do whatever, to NOT have to submit

themselves,

especially to Islam,

Islam meaning

SUBMISSION.

Poetic Justice

you betcha

**note:

I have never been one to question the validity of the Bible as far as translations go, until now,

while, I don't concur with universalism or watering down scripture, I do believe, there are Enough consistencies in the Bible, in that, some of the scriptures, deserve looking into, especially those in the New Testament, that totally contradict the way Jesus treated women...

no offense, but I've often thought, the scriptures on submission, read more like something King James would have insisted upon, with the church in his day [and he was no gift to women, mind you]

or, the drafting by those, who wrote the Bible, during the days of early Catholicism [and that whole split] OR

during the Dark Ages, when they were butchering women by the thousands.

So, after raging at Jesus all day, and then, for some reason, that whole slavery part popped up at me [Holy Spirit maybe?] because, hey,

it shows the blatant hypocrisy of the church/men who have used those submission scriptures to enslave women, globally, including in legal systems, such as economics, that whole andro-centric nuclear capitalist 'family' they so love to worship,

at the expense of WOMEN.

anyway,

maybe my rage at Jesus, is unjustified, maybe, its not God or Jesus, or even Peter, maybe,

its, a deliberate mistranslation, to keep in times with the misogyny that ruled in the days the Bible was written,

it has been debated, that one of the books, was written years, after Paul's death, AND I did look at it, I believe its Titus,

it Does read different, from all Paul's other works. The language is different, the intro,

on some parts, it reads the same, on others, it doesn't,

so, I DON'T KNOW,

and, well, I'm not going to say, Don't believe in the Bible, no way,

but I will say, maybe, we should pray and seek, because Jesus Did say,

the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth,

He didn't say,

the Bible would lead you into all truth. Though it does say the Word of God is inspired, etc.,

but, here is something else that has always sort of bothered me too, at the end of Revelations, it says,

cursed is anyone who ads or takes away from the Book,

IF, it wasn't a possibility, then Why would God, even warn?

Or was that just the Book of Revelations?

I am not a Bible scholar nor have I studied translations and Hebrew and all that....I do know however, that there are consistencies,

and even if not,

the fact remains,

WE, OUTLAWED SLAVERY, IN A SO CALLED, CHRISTIAN NATION, THE CHURCH, IS VERY OUTSPOKEN, AGAINST SLAVERY,

INCLUDING IN MISSIONS TO AFRICA, TODAY...

WHY THEN, ARE THESE SAME ADVOCATES, CHRISTIANS, FIGHTING SLAVERY, YET, THEY WILL TURN RIGHT AROUND AND SAY

TO WOMEN, IN ABUSIVE MARRIAGES

SUBMIT?

Something, just smells like a rat to me...

and maybe, maybe, I'll just stop blaming God, Jesus, and put the blame where it belongs

MEN.

and the WOMEN, who benefit from those MEN [especially the money made, off the suffering, of those who have suffered abuse, its one WHOPPING $$$ INDUSTRY!]

No wonder, they don't want it to change,

something to ponder on...

Solidarity,

Natasha